The Atheist Pig

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Geddy

Lol

moongrimm

No Small Irony here Ged.

moongrimm

No small Irony indeed.

Every single one of the bibliolators whining about all of the other deluded Xtians.

Never once seeing to the beam in their own eye.

Oh and Geddy/Wayne?

Job 8:2.

Geddy

Moon, you really hate my interpretation of the bible. Why? Is it because it demonstrates a different image of God?
- freethinkin franklin
  
  why?? because its you interpretation, plain and simple, your take on a book written by ignorant superstitious people that had to come up with an explanation for where the sun went at night. and you are correct it portrays an “image of god” not 1 fact that god exists , but instead it paints a scary picture for those sun wonders to follow like sheep…
- moongrimm
  
  Why? Because of your claim to knowledge you don’t have.
  
  What Franklin said.
- Flavus
  
  Knew a Guy named Moon, wrote his own Bible, and said he was Jesus, too bad he’s dead now, the only guy to stand up for Tricky Dick.
Geddy

Lol. Well played verse.

How about throwing some New Testament stuff at me for a change.
- moongrimm
  
  Knock yourself out hypocrite.
  
  http://www.answering-christianity.com/bs_and_lies.htm
  - Geddy
    
    Sticks and stone my friend… sticks and stones.
    
    You folks should be thanking me by the way. Look at all the great material I’m providing the Pig. This cartoon appears to have come from discussions I’ve been involved in.
    
    This one btw, is both funny AND truthful. That I can appreciate.
    
    I send you a bill Pig.
    - moongrimm
      
      Sticks and Stones can break your bones. We have the evidence of two thousand years of Christians using them against anyone who dared contradict them to draw upon as evidence.
      
      No dude, you’re not my friend.

Megan

I was talking with one of my christian friends and the fact that somebody was a Mormon came up and she said something to the effect of if you can call that a religion. My response was who are you to declare a religion legitimate or not?

H. Roark

Out of curiosity, is she also one of those people who try to argue atheism is a religion?
freethinkin franklin

sad fact is the US government and IRS are the ones that declare wither or not they are a “church” or not…. then they are rewarded with not having to pay their fair share of taxes… cults get no such reward yet both spread the same kind of lies, superstition and myths.
- Geddy
  
  But the 59 Billion which is an actually COST, not a tax break, for the EITC doesn’t bother? I love the irony in that.
  
  Atleast the tax break is for a NOT FOR PROFIT.
  
  It’s not the governments job to redistribute. As a nation we are very giving and have proven that with each natural disaster world wide. How much more could we give if it weren’t for the heavy tax burden?
  - freethinkin franklin
    
    well for one thing its “earned income tax credit ” isn’t it… those folks earned it… why should a snake oil selling preacher get any tax credit for committing fraud and lying to folks… second , heavy tax burden?? get your facts straight, taxes are at there lowest since the 50′s, its loopholes and tax breaks to the rich and corporations that have put is here in the mess we are in, and i;m sure your liberal socialist carpenter friend would agree we me that people come far before any incorporated mega church or multinational company… your political beliefs are contrary to what you claim to believe from your “good books” new covenants teachings and how jesus “lived”.
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      here geddy/wayne watch this to learn something about your man….
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEyc2Qw83aE&feature=endscreen&NR=1
    - Geddy
      
      As far as your video goes, I’ve seen that regurgitated stuff before. I’m not a Republican or a Romney fan. Republicans have too liberal a record for my taste. I like FREEDOM and also believe that “Congress make no law respecting an established religion.”
      
      With FREEDOM come freedom of choice. If choices are made that don’t have an impact on others rights and are between 2 consenting adult, then let it be. I don’t believe in moral laws any more then I believe in redistribution. God gave us the FREEDOM to choose so who is the government to regulate our moral choices. By sinning (I know, I know, there is no such thing as sin), that becomes an issue between God and the sinner. I don’t advocate stopping sin via the rule of law. Again, if it doesn’t impact the rights of others, let them do it, but don’t get made if someone labels it either. That’s their right as well and has not impact on the rights of others.
    - moongrimm
      
      Freedom doesn’t come from God. Any God.
      
      Freedom is paid for in the blood of freedom fighters. And nine times out of ten, it’s fought for because some religious wackjob feels it’s their right to deny freedom for everyone else.
      In all ages of the world the priest has been the enemy of liberty.
      -David Hume.
  - Geddy
    
    Sorry my friend but no, the “Credit” is in excess of whatever if anything is paid. You may want to look in to it. It is “redistribution” in its rawest form.
    
    Spin however you want but it’s not the Imperial Federal Governments job. People will give without the rule of law. The bible says nothing about governments redistribution. That’s just make believe as you say.
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      I’m calling “pigshit” on that one… your spinning your books teachings to fit your political ideology… just ask yourself WWJD…. deny and beat down the needy ?? ignore the hungry ?? turn away the sick ?? i think not…. vote republican ??? i think not !! … so do you actually follow and live by the teachings or just use them when convenient and they suit your needs ???
    - Geddy
      
      Who is doing the things you suggest? Just fear tactics and propoganda. I know what I’m involved in and what I see others do. Maybe you don’t see the giving nature of others whether atheist, Christian, Deist, Jewish, ect…, but I see it year round.
      
      Get involve and you will see the character of ALL the groups, especially the ones you like to label.
    - Geddy
      
      And are you really denying the EITC? That is modern times so proof is everywhere. Here’s a start to examining this Socialistic program endorsed by Democrats and Republicans alike:
      
      http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=130102,00.html/
    - Geddy
      
      CREDIT… not refund… not tax deduction… CREDIT
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      geddy.wayne i do get involved… even though i’m a non-theist i volunteered for years at a church to feed the needy every thanksgiving and x-mas , until i saw them passing the collection plate… it disgusted me so now i do my volunteering at the harry chapin food bank , they solicit their donations from those that can afford it not the needy they are claiming to help… they also do not send left overs home with the pastor or clergy as the church did, nor do they force folks to partake in a prayer before eating their holiday meal… as for your feared socialist programs do you have your own roads?? railroads?? dams? fire dept police dept ect?? i’m guessing you drive over our socialistic program built bridges roadways and tunnels all the time… your brown-skinned liberal socialist carpenter would scorn you for your contempt of those in need… equating socialism with losing our freedom is very macarthistic and based in cold way fears of the “godless commies” despite its been a part of American life for a very long time…
    - Geddy
      
      That’s a good one! Infastructure and border protection are government responsibilities and are no redistribution of weath.
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      OK , so i see, you cherry pick what kind of socialism like and deem OK , just as you do with parts of your good book…. i get it now.
    - Geddy
      
      You have a lot to learn about different types of government, particularly Socialism.
      
      Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
      
      “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      i’ve got a lot to learn ? thats precious from a man that wants texass to secede from the nation and believes fairy stories are true …. good luck with that pipe dream too…
  - moongrimm
    
    What heavy tax burden? Taxes now are at the lowest rate since the Truman administration.
    
    Render unto Caeser ….
    
    Geddy, proving his ignorance isn’t as good as reality- again.
  - Corey
    
    You like roads, right?
    - Geddy
      
      As I’ve said before Corey, infastructure and border protection are core responsibilities of the government and they are doing a poor job with both. Redistribution or money is an ideoligy that doesn’t stand the test of time.
    - moongrimm
      
      He likes roads, but he prefers everyone else pay for them.
      
      Where in the constitution is such listed oh Ged?
      
      Republicans LOVE redistribution so long as they’re on the fat cat receiving end.
  - Steve
    
    Geddy, are you just here to be offended? Because I’m certain there’s a better way to practice your masochism.
  - http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ Unindoctrinated
    
    When a religions Churches keeps Billions of dollars in bank accounts when that money could be used for charitable endeavours, which is what the parishioners think it’s for, how is that “NOT FOR PROFIT”?
- Corey
  
  It’s important to remember though, that in a cult there’s a guy at the top who knows it’s all a scam, and in a religion, that guy is dead.

http://www.davehodgkinson.com/ Dave Hodgkinson

Scientology is as legit a religion as all the other made-up stuff.

freethinkin franklin

off subject friends… the affordable health care act was found constitutional by the SCOTUS !!!

Geddy

… and it is!
- Sleepingkirby
  
  Well, technically, it isn’t at the rawest form. But really neither are copyrights, patents, trademarks, social security, trust busting, etc. But, as the guilded age, the great depression and FDR (and Ben Franklin for the intellectual property) proved, there is a need for these things.
Geddy

Waiting to understand how the tax will be applied to states that don’t participate…
freethinkin franklin

i wish the public option was in the act…. it fell short of what is really needed to adress the health care issues here in america, but its a step forward….
Geddy

I love it. Fire up the conservative base and hopefully have no effect on states that opt out.
- Sleepingkirby
  
  Uhm… it’s firing them up… to move to a country… with a more socialized health care…
  http://www.happyplace.com/16744/obamacare-oppenents-vow-to-move-to-canada
  Why do you not like the idea of providing people with affordable health care anyways? (honestly curious)
- Geddy
  
  Socialized medicine doesn’t work. Just look at other countries who have it. Canada is a great example.
  
  Socialism also doesn’t work. Just look at Europe. But hey, I’m prepared for national bankruptcy, are you. Sadly it will probably force an end to most of the give-aways and entitlements.
  - moongrimm
    
    Actually it DOES work. And has been working for decades. What you see in Europe is the result of Austerity measures like the kind that American Conservatives want America to go through. Germany and Sweden are doing JUST FINE, along with Canada.
    
    The bulk of the “give-aways and entitlements” you speak of- are given to corporations.
    
    Corporate Welfare far and away exceeds social program spending:
    http://www.ombwatch.org/node/341
    
    You want a Welfarel-Free Country devoid of Taxes, with no Government?
    
    Move to Somalia. Plenty of Religion there.
    - Geddy
      
      So now because I don’t like Socialism I should move to Somalia? Didn’t you complain when I suggested that “if you don’t like it here, find a better country.” My suggestion was that there is NOT a better country at the time. Lol, and I’m the hypocrite.
      
      Show me a country that has survived for 200 years with Socialism.
      
      You should talk to some Canadians about their Healthcare plan. EVERYONE I’ve talked to or listened to about it doesn’t like it; bar none.
      
      Like I said, I’m prepared for another downgrade of the US credit rating, inflasion as China moves away from the dollar, the future of oil being sold without the dollar, as well as US bankruptcy. What will happen to the poor folks the government has trapped into government dependancy?
      
      I don’t want anything you accuse me of outside of Socialism and NOT spending more then DC makes. It wouldn’t work in my business or any business and it won’t work in DC.
      
      I’m ready for the next 4 years no matter what happens, are you?
    - Geddy
      
      Simple economics my friend, you can only spend more then you make for so long. Something has to give.
      
      Buy gold and silver while you can.
    - moongrimm
      
      So when are you gonna answer sleeping kirby’s question Ged?
      
      That’s rather dishonest, and utterly typical of, you to avoid answering.
      
      Another downgrade of America’s Credit Rating? So you, alongside your Conservative Brethern, are banking on screwing over America- Again?
      
      I don’t have to accuse you of outside socialism. Considering you and yours go out of their way to create Socialism for the Rich.
    - Geddy
      
      http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/national-health-insurance-a-medical-disaster/
      
      Below is the Canadian portion of the above link. It is also consistant with what I have heard from Canadian and answers Kirby in detail. Btw, I don’t know any rich Canadians
      
      Canada. What of the Canadian National Health System, which many U.S. politicians are now championing as a less expensive and more efficient alternative to our supposed free market system?
      
      Canada has had socialized medicine for 20 years, and the same pattern of deteriorating facilities, overburdened doctors, and long hospital waiting lists is clear. A quarter of a million Canadians (out of a population of only 26 million) are now on waiting lists for surgery. The average waiting period for elective surgery is four years. Women wait up to five months for Pap smears and eight months for mammograms. Since 1987, the entire country spent less money on hospital improvements than the city of Washington, D.C., which has a population of only 618,000. As a result, sophisticated diagnostic equipment is scarce in Canada and growing scarcer. There are more MRIs (magnetic resonance imagers) in Washington State, which has a population of 4.6 million, than in all of Canada, which has a population of 26 million.
      
      In Canada, as in Britain under socialized medicine, patients are denied care, forced to cope with increasingly antiquated hospitals and equipment, and can die while waiting for treatment. Canada controls health care costs the same way Britain and Russia do: by denying modern treatment to the sick and letting the severely ill and old die.
      
      Despite standards far below those of the United States, when variables such as America’s higher crime and teenage pregnancy rates are factored out, and when concealed government overhead costs are factored in, Canada spends as high a percentage of its GNP on health care as the United States. Today a growing chorus of Canadians, including many former champions of socialized medicine, are calling for return to a market-based system.
    - moongrimm
      
      Israel has a very successful health care system:
      http://www.physiciansnews.com/2009/10/01/can-universal-healthcare-work-a-look-at-israels-successful-model/
      
      Why do you hate Israel Ged?
      
      For those who have no healthcare Ged, any is better than none. No Ged, the fact remains, Healthcare in Canada and in Britain is far far better than anything in the United States.
    - moongrimm
      
      http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html
      
      Much of the appeal of the Canadian system is that it seems to do more for less. Canada provides universal access to health care for its citizens, while nearly one in five non-elderly Americans is uninsured. Canada spends far less of its GDP on health care (10.4 percent, ver-sus 16 percent in the U.S.) yet performs better than the U.S. on two commonly cited health outcome measures, the infant mortality rate and life expectancy.
    - Geddy
      
      Sometimes you get what you pay for. Look at the efficiency and quality. You just ignore the must important part of health care.
    - Geddy
      
      I’m not banking on it happening. I’m PREPARING for it to happen. The writing is on the wall.
  - Corey
    
    Socialism, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    - moongrimm
      
      No Corey he does not. It’s just another “boogyman” word to him. Anything that spend tax dollars that don’t go into his pocket- is evil.
    - Geddy
      
      You seem like an intelligent young man Corey. Do some homework on what Socialism is and what redistributing and creating class warfare is.
    - moongrimm
      
      start with this Corey:
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/jon-stewart-gop-hypocritical-class-warfare-mitt-romney_n_1196232.html
    - moongrimm
      
      And this too Corey:
      http://www.politicususa.com/bill-maher-american-socialism.html
      
      You’ll find Corey, that Republicans whine a great deal about “socialism” and “class warfare”, but they love both. When they’re the ones winning at them.
    - Geddy
      
      Corey Moon has listed some good liberal blog site which I definetly encourage you to read. However you should also check with the other side of the story. It’s easy to find both sides on the internet.
      
      Also whenever possible go straight to the source. Moon continues to say things about the Fair Tax that aren’t true. You can go to http://www.FairTax.org and learn about it all first hand, no need to subscribe to any spin be it liberal or conservative.
    - moongrimm
      
      What are you afraid of Ged? Fair Tax is strictly Conservative Spin. I don’t need to lie Ged, I’m not a Republican.
  - moongrimm
    
    I used to work in Canada as part of my job, every single Canuck I talked to LOVED it. (Healthcare).
    
    I suggest you actually talk to non-rich canadians next time Ged. Yes you are a hypocrite Ged. Unlike you, I prefer to IMPROVE America. And No I didn’t get upset when you said I should move. Typical Hypocritical Xtian.
    
    Unlike you I pay attention to reality Ged. Obamacare will end up costing less, just like all of the so-called “socialism” healthcare of the other industrial nations; than our currently way overpriced healthscare.
    
    Economics is hardly simple. If you actually took the time to study it, you’d know that.
    
    I find it ironic that Conservatives consistently whine about the National Debt, but every time they’re in power- it metastizes.
  - sleepingkirby
    
    Well, Europe’s problem is mainly due to the banking system. i.e. currency compounded by… well, our capitalist system/trend of managing/running the bank system. The two are not really related. It’s kind of like saying that because Hitler was a vegetarian, eating vegetables will cause the holocaust.
    
    Also saying the socialism doesn’t work is like saying copyrights doesn’t work, internet domains don’t work, the FDIC didn’t work and social security didn’t work. Sure, social security is becoming bankrupt, but that, really is a conceptual flaw in the formula of future projection, not socialism.
    
    Besides, no offense, but I’m going to take researcher’s words over your’s about socialized medicine:
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/1027_Davis_mirror_mirror_international_update_final.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden#Financing
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/08/15/socialism-is-the-best-medicine.html
    
    Besides, the definition of socialized healthcare is that it’s defined by society. If it fails, that doesn’t mean the system is faulty (because, really, in socialized medicine, we make the actual system) it just means that people don’t want to pay for it. By your definition and argument, we can say the following also doesn’t work. Democracy, capitalism, republics, the banking system in general, constitutional monarchy, and the currency exchange market.
    
    Also, if Canada has such bad healthcare, why would so many people who hate this law want to move to Canada? They want to move there so their healthcare system must be doing something right.
  - Steve
    
    Please explain how countries such as Denmark, and Iceland, and Spain, are SOCIALIST. Clearly you don’t have any grasp on the definition of the word. But again, I’m just fulfilling your masochistic urges.
  - http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ Unindoctrinated
    
    You use two great examples of how they do work yet mean to demonstrate that they don’t work. I’m seeing a trend in your posts. You say a lot yet understand little.

moongrimm

So, The Pig illustrates the obtuseness of just about every religious wackjob on the planet, and Geddy thinks it’s all about him.

Such Humility.

Geddy

Thanks pal.
- Steve
  
  You’re a dork.
- moongrimm
  
  You’re welcome. Dude.

Corey

I live in the bible belt which makes being a bisexual atheist a bit difficult.
I’ve learned a few things. NEVER tell your Christian friends that you’re an Atheist.
Also, even though your mother might tell your younger sister that she’s not allowed to marry a baptist, it is still bad conduct to say “Well I don’t like baptists anyway” in the middle of a diner.
As for this…
I’ve dealt with quite a bit of this.
I told a friend that I was an atheist because I read the bible and she told me it was just because I was twisting the scriptures the wrong way.
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Yeah I’m not going to get over that smashing babies heads against the stones thing.

Geddy

There you go sterotyping Christians because of the type of friend YOU chose to make.

I not make excuses for their behavior or any Christians bad behavior. There are MANY folks who represent Christianity very poorly. That is not ALL Christian and to suggest that it is, is very narrow thinking. It’s like saying ALL muslims are terrorists.

The real problem is your friends, not Christianity. I have gay family and friends as well as atheist. It’s not my job to convert them. They no where I stand and if they want to talk about it I will. I don’t condemn them or judge them for it. I try to model what I believe.
- freethinkin franklin
  
  ” geddy/wayne says : “There are MANY folks who represent Christianity very poorly.” geddy/wayne add yourself to that list because you sir , represent Christianity very poorly , the same with America, its you and like-minded people that have ravaged Americas reputation worldwide…. I’m embarrassed of you and for you !!
- moongrimm
  
  May I suggest you actively try doing what your Jesus says about REAL Christianity:
  
  Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
  
  Matthew 19:21.
  
  Strange how most Christians have forgotten that verse.
- sleepingkirby
  
  I would also like to point out that you stereotype European nations. Just because some of them are having financial problems doesn’t mean all of them are.
  
  Hmm… now that I look at your statement, just about all of it is gross generalization. Especially the part about give-away’s and entitlement. After all, the term “entitlement” is a gross stereotypicalization of social
  
  Not to mention, if conservatives are so against welfare, they can always not file for it:
  http://www.selectsmart.com/commentary/blog.php?m=1440
  
  Your post that I’m referring to is below;
  
  Geddy
  June 29, 2012 at 7:59 am | Reply
  Socialized medicine doesn’t work. Just look at other countries who have it. Canada is a great example.
  Socialism also doesn’t work. Just look at Europe. But hey, I’m prepared for national bankruptcy, are you. Sadly it will probably force an end to most of the give-aways and entitlements.
  - sleepingkirby
    
    *social programs. recipients.
- sleepingkirby
  
  Please note that he said he lived in the bible belt. Saying that he chooses to make friends with misrepresentations of christians is a little like saying that someone died of falling because they chose to obey the laws of gravity. We don’t all get to choose where get to live. I’m sure if it was easy for him to make friends with people that are not of that representation of christian or move to a different place to live, he would have.
  
  On the other hand, you chose to make yourself the victim rather than commenting one someone’s personal anecdote. I think it’s not out of line to say that that’s rather rude and contrary to your own statements about people seeing what they want to see and over-generalization. I also feel it’s not out of line to say you owe him an apology.
- Corey
  
  The responses here are beautiful. But I’m a girl…so SHE said she lives in the bible belt.
Geddy

By the way, the smashing babies head was in the Old Testement before Christianity started.
- moongrimm
  
  Then why do you folks continue to include the Old Testament as part of your bible, and quote from it as well?
  
  Double Standards.
Jeff

First off I’d have to completely disagree with you, Corey. It’s never good to lie about your religion. Be yourself, and if your friends don’t like you because you’re an atheist, they’re not real friends. I’d hate to agree with Geddy but that is a little of a stereotype. I’m in a very similar situation, and I’ve met my share of ignorant people, but a pretty decent percent of the Christians I’ve made friends with don’t give a damn if I believe something differently or not. Overall, yeah, it’ll be tough to be a bisexual atheist in the bible belt, but a good tip to avoid that sucking too much is to make friends that aren’t assholes.
- Corey
  
  I understand that. I was raised as a Methodist. The problem I that stereotypes exist for a REASON. No they’re not ALWAYS right, but they OFTEN have SOME truth to them.
  I don’t lie about my religion either. I just don’t bother to share with people who ask, whether friend or foe.
  Unfortunately I live in an INCREDIBLY religious area of the Bible Belt and frankly the stereotypes just show themselves more and more.
  When I get into a car and my mother asks who that was with my friend, telling her it was her girlfriend shouldn’t cause the other woman to start ranting about the sins of homosexuality.
  Frankly, when it comes to Leviticus, the Book of the Old Testament that people claim states that homosexuality is an abomination, unless you’re also rejecting shellfish, burning offerings, rejecting pig, isolating bald people, and trying to cure leprosy with BIRDS…then you can’t use it to defend your bigoted position.
  You cannot use the bible to prove the bible. That’s like using Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy to say that Earth blew up and a guy went into outer space.
  On the other hand, where I live the lone Muslim guy in my class had to stand up to defend my bisexuality. When a religion that follows the scriptures of it’s religion to say that homosexuality is wrong has to stand up for a bisexual girl against a bunch of people who claim that homosexuality is wrong despite eating pork and shell fish and the like…we have a problem. I get annoyed easily and frankly, most people don’t take me seriously due to the fact that I have a mental disorder.

moongrimm

A country that has survived 200 years of Socialism?

Challenge accepted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism

Geddy

Socialism doesnt work no matter what you put in front of it. Show me a successfull version of it. It you are talking about thousands of years ago then I am clearly correct. The Jews where ruled by God and then kings, not a Socialist rule of law.
- moongrimm
  
  I have showed a successful one, and as always- you ignore it.
  
  The Pilgrims were socialists. And Jesus spoke of Socialism in the positive. Christians like yourself don’t care for his words.
  
  http://valentinelogar.hubpages.com/hub/Jesus-was-a-Socialist
- Geddy
  
  The pilgims did NOT establish a Socialism by RULE OF LAW. There was NO Constitution or any governing body. It’s one thing to live in a COMMUNITY that shares for survive and another thing to live in a COUNTRY where socialist principles are established and enforced by rule of law.
  
  This is truely your worst spin yet.
- Geddy
  
  Now once again I ask. Show me a COUNTRY (an established governing body) that is Socialist (by rule of law which is part any COUNTRY) that has survived for 200 years.
  - moongrimm
    
    I have showed you, and as always you choose to IGNORE it.
    
    The Roman Empire had a welfare state, and lasted for nearly a thousand years.
    
    Until Christians got ahold of it.
- Corey
  
  Seriously. Socialism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
  - Geddy
    
    Read about the Earned Income Tax Credit. It redistributes cash from tax payers to non tax payers. That IS what Socialism is.

Geddy

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Geddy

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Our Freedom and Supreme Court Update

As we embark on our nation’s 236th birthday, itis interesting to note that “taxation without representation” was a pivotalcatalyst that led to the American Revolution. As you might remember, around1764 the colonists were drowning in a sea of growing taxation imposed by theruling King of England and British Parliament.

There was the Sugar Tax, the Stamp Act (payment of taxesdirectly to England not to local governing organizations) and the TownshendRevenue Act, which imposed yet another tax on imports like tea, paper, glassand paint. And this was just a sampling of what the monarchy imposed upon thecolonists. To add insult to injury – and to ensure colonist made their payment -the King sent British tax enforcers to tar and feather anyone who did not orcould not pay.

Fast forward approximately 250 years.

So much has changed and yet, it seems like very little haschanged. Instead of a monarchy we have a Congress. Yes, they are elected by thepeople and charged with representing their will, but somewhere, somehow,something happened.

Congress stopped listening to and representing the people who electedthem, and started listening to and placating the special interests who peddleself-serving loopholes and exemptions.

The result? One could make the argument that, once again,the American people have taxation without representation – 77,000 pagesworth. 77,000 pages of special interests,loopholes and exemptions that continue to destroy jobs, saddle America with thehighest corporate tax rate in the world and weaken our economy to a nearbreaking point.

There is an solution to the problem and it is the FairTax!

The FairTax is theonly simple, fair and transparent tax replacement plan that returns control ofwhen taxes are paid to the individual. It is the only tax replacement plan toprovide freedom from the yearly ritual of the dreaded tax filing, and freedomfrom the fear and tyranny of the IRS.

On Wednesday, America will celebrate her freedom andindependence from British taxation without representation. With your continuedsupport, hard work and determination, we too will one day celebrate a newbeginning for America – a new beginning of jobs, economic growth andprosperity.

Geddy

http://www.FairTax.org
- moongrimm
  
  The Fair Tax is an oxymoron. It is, like every other Sales Tax- a scheme by the rich to shift their own tax burden- to not rich folks.
  
  http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html
- Corey
  
  Hey…Hey…Geddy.
  No one likes taxes. I know I sure don’t. But here’s the thing…
  I DO like roads, and street lights, and stop signs, and sewers, and the like…so I pay them ANYWAY.
  - Geddy
    
    Infastructure and border protection are basic responsibilities of every government. I don’t have a problem with taxes, it’s Socialism I don’t like.
moongrimm

I’ve noticed that the only “Fair” tax conservatives are interested in, is the tax that EVERYONE ELSE has to pay.

Well go ahead and institute your “fair” tax in Texas, and within 5 years Texas will be bankrupt.
Financially as well as morally.
- Geddy
  
  I’ve noticed that you are speaking out of ignorance again. The “rebate” portion of the Fair Tax makes it so some don’t have to pay taxes. They may lose their Earned Income Tax CREDIT. But that’s it.
  - moongrimm
    
    No I do not speak the way you do Ged. Unlike you I pay attention to ALL of the details, not just that which proves my assertions. Oh yeah, once again the Rich don’t have to pay taxes.
    - moongrimm
      
      http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html
- Geddy
  
  Perhaps you should learn about it before criticizing it. Makes you look a little silly.
  - moongrimm
    
    You look like a fool, once one has actually researched the so-called “fair tax”.
    
    Oregon has no sales tax. And your plan would override our states right.
    
    http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html
- Geddy
  
  I believe you are thinking of the “Flat Tax” Moon.
  
  Check it out… and actually learn what it is before you inaccurately criticize it.
  
  http://www.FairTax.org
  - moongrimm
    
    I have learned about it, and as always, you’ve mischaracterised it.
    
    The so called “Flat Tax” doesn’t tax everything. It allows most if not all Capital Gains Income, to go untaxed.
    
    So Conservatives prove how regressive they like things.
  - moongrimm
    
    I have learned, it sucks.
    
    http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html
  - Geddy
    
    Lol Why don’t you go to http://www.FairTax.org and see what it actually is first hand instead of your liberal blogs.
- Geddy
  
  Think of the Billions this would save by getting rid of the IRS. Nevermind the increase in government revenue that even the liberal universities admit to.
  - moongrimm
    
    Think of the Trillions we would’ve saved if the so called “Pro-Lifers” hadn’t started an unnecessary war in Iraq!
    
    Republicans create a bigger government.
    - Corey
      
      Jesus wasn’t born in America. And you don’t see republicans trying to keep him out of government.
    - Geddy
      
      I don’t see Republican putting him government either. Btw, I’m not a Republican.
Geddy

It’s actually a PREBATE, not a REBATE. Here’s a link describing how low income families won’t have to pay taxes. Basically the more you make, the more you spend, the more taxes you pay. If you don’t make a lot, you don’t have a lot to spend and you don’t pay taxes.

Here’s is the link to the cold hard FACTS. It’s not a blog. It’s directly from http://www.FairTax.org

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/PrebateExplained2012.pdf
- moongrimm
  
  Six on one hand half a dozen on the other.
  
  Your “facts” don’t add up. It’s the typical Republican Doublespeak.
  
  And why aren’t you keeping your Sabbath Day Holy Ged?
- Geddy
  
  I love it when you deny cold hard facts. I bet when it’s raining out you sometimes argue that it’s not.
  
  Again, I’m not a Republican I’m a Libertarian.
  
  As far as your Sabbath comment. I’m not Jewish and that is the ONLY one of the 10 commandments that isn’t mentioned in the New Testement anyway.
  - moongrimm
    
    What Facts? All you’ve done is demonstrate your own ignorance. There is no difference between Republican and Libertarian.
    
    And once again you demonstrate your rampant Ignorance concerning your bible.
    
    Matthew 5:18
    I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
    
    Cafeteria Christianity- Way to go Ged.
    - Jeff
      
      Woah, hold on there. I’m a libertarian, and that’s not true. Unless I was mistaken and all the Texas republicans around me have the exact same views as me, but they don’t. They have similar economic views. Earlier you said republicans are actually trying to make government bigger. Both sides say that about the other, and both are right. The liberals want more government control of economic issues, and the conservatives more government control on social issues. The reason you may think republicans and libertarians the same is because libertarian views are focused on decreasing government involvement in both aspects. We have similar economic views, but (generally speaking) share social views with liberals. We’re just as similar to liberals as we are to republicans, just on different aspects of government. For a visual representation of this, please look into something called the “nolan chart”. I would greatly love if you were to look into this and not lump me in with the republicans I’m surrounded by in Texas.
    - Geddy
      
      Actually Jeff, we Libertarians are FAR more fiscally and legally conservative then the Republicans. The Republicans are simply the lesser (don’t want to grow government as quickly) of 2 evils in that arena. Socially/morally yes, very libera. Almost a mind your own business approach. If it doesn’t affect the rights of others, then who cares.
    - Jeff
      
      Well that really just depends on what republican you’re talking about. It’s more of a case by case basis, but usually the ones running for president and whatnot have to be a little less conservative than they’d like to, because they know that the hardcore republicans will vote for them no matter what and they’re trying to win over the moderates. The middle ground usually decides elections because the members of each party vote for their candidate regardless of how good of a candidate they are. Our candidates just don’t have to compromise their beliefs yet because they’re not quite big enough to have a serious chance of winning at this point.
  - Geddy
    
    I’m done with your petty tit for tat lies and denial of the truth. You call the actual PREBATE literature lies and Republican and Libertarians the same. Couldn’t be farther from the truth on both accounts.
    
    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. This includes you out of context bible qouting.
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      the difference between you geddy/wayne and jeff, is that jeff doesn’t allow his libertarian views get corrupted by his religion…. mixing politics and religion is a very republican trait… and one our nation would be far better off without !
    - Geddy
      
      More misleading information.
      
      Please qoute where I have mixed politics and religion. I talk about both but have repeatedly said that I agree with the 1st Amendment.
    - freethinkin franklin
      
      I’ve seen you on many occasions blither on about how the wall of separation was not mentioned by our founding fathers and touting the treaty of Tripoli more then a few times… you can claim anything you like, paint yourself to suit your needs but my guess is you would have no issue with prayer in school , ID being taught as science, school bible studies or the overturn of roe v wade when your talking with your xian pals… yet while here you try to get us to believe your something your not…
    - Geddy
      
      Yes I frequently discuss facts as I see that you find offensive. But that doesn’t mix anything. Religion does NOT belong in government NOR do moral laws.
      
      You continue to deny what I say and make things up just like Moon.
http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ Unindoctrinated

You’re quoting Reagan? The man who consulted his wife and her Astrologer before making important decisions.

Geddy

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Mihai Balica shared your photo: “lol”

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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455399101151946&set=a.355216881170169.87162.355080727850451&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

I can’t wait!

Geddy

Look at that, it’s not just Texass. Lol

Geddy

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=471774322850066&set=a.151029401591228.30732.151009331593235&type=1&ref=nf

moongrimm

“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Geddy

Thank you for proving my point, but we both already knew this problems as gone on over the ages.

Here’s some more Thomas Jefferson. I cited the source in mine though. Lol

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
–Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

“I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
–The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
- moongrimm
  
  Actually you’ve proven my point, Mr. Clergyman.
- Corey
  
  “It does me no injury if my neighbor believes in many gods or no gods.” -Thomas Jefferson.

moongrimm

http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/07/23/obamas-health-care-plan-is-not-socialism-stop-lying/

Now remember Mitch McConnell today:

30 million uninsured is NOT the issue.

It is if you’re uninsured.

Geddy

If Obama care is so good why does it exempt Barrack, Michelle, the Congress, the Senators and their families? Page 114 Line 22

I wonder…

Harold

Here’s a comprehensive list of all the taxes in Obamacare making it the largest tax increase in US history. How is that good for the economy?

http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758

Geddy

I saw that link earlier today as well. Some of the taxes aren’t even healthcare related.

We’ll see how it all plays out. Should be interesting.
Geddy

Why increase the tax on bio fuel. Makes no sense.
Geddy

Here’s another good one.

Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.

Geddy

Religion has long played a prominent role in the lives of not only American citizens, but American presidents. Many of our nation’s leaders derived their beliefs from Christianity and maintained strong beliefs in God, as evidenced by quotations from their speeches, letters and memoirs.

1. “Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.” —George Washington

2. “We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right
which heaven itself ordained.” – George Washington

3. “The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man, will endeavor so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.” – George Washington

4. “Let me live according to those holy rules which Thou hast this day prescribed in Thy Holy Word…direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. Bless, O Lord, all the people of this land.” – George Washington

5. “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.” – John Adams

6. “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” – John Adams

7. “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!” – John Adams

8. “I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson

9. “The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.” – Thomas Jefferson

10. “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” – Thomas Jefferson

11. “I have always said and always will say that the studious perusal of the Sacred Volume will make better citizens, better fathers, better husbands… the Bible makes the best people in the world.” – Thomas Jefferson

12. “Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land.” – James Monroe

13. “While we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess, and to observe, the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to them whose minds have not yielded to the evidence which has convinced us.” – James Monroe

14. “It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God.” – John Quincy Adams

15. “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” – John Quincy Adams

16. “My custom is to read four or five chapters of the Bible every morning immediately after rising. It seems to me the most suitable manner of beginning the day. It is an invaluable and inexhaustible mine of knowledge and virtue.” – John Quincy Adams

17. “I am profitably engaged in reading the Bible. Take all of this Book upon reason that you can, and the balance by faith, and you will live and die a better man.” – Abraham Lincoln

18. “We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand, which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.” – Abraham Lincoln

19. “The only assurance of our nation’s safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion.” – Abraham Lincoln

20. “All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship.” – Grover Cleveland

21. “A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.” – Theodore Roosevelt

22. “The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.” – Calvin Coolidge

23. “The study of the Bible is a post-graduate course in the richest library of human experience.” – Hebert Hoover

24. “The fundamental basis of this nation’s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teaching we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don’t have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in the right for anybody except the state.” – Harry Truman

25. “The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” – John F. Kennedy

26. “Of the many influences that have shaped the United States into a distinctive nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.” – Ronald Reagan

27. “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face” – Ronald Reagan

28. “Without God, there is no virtue, because there’s no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we’re mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.” – Ronald Reagan

29. “Faith gives the assurance that our lives and our history have a moral design.” – George W Bush

30. “Each day millions of our citizens approach our Maker on bended knee, seeking His grace and giving thanks for the many blessings He bestows upon us.” – George W Bush

Geddy

#18 is one of my favorites.
Corey

Does no one remember the fact that the majority of founding fathers were “Deists” basically, they believed in god, but figured that if he left them alone they’d leave him alone.
- Geddy
  
  You have been mislead. Half the founding fathers were pastor and went to seminary school. A very large MAJORITY were Christians… including Thomas Jefferson. Overwelming evidence proves what I’m saying.
  - Alex
    
    The guy who cut up the bible in order to get rid of all the superstitious stuff? oh yeah. great example of a christian!

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sk8eycat

Off-topic entirely: One of the cleverest, snarkiest atheist writers. (published 2 books)..and the first atheist web columnist I discovered when I first went online 12 years ago, Judith Hayes – aka “The Happy Heretic,” committed suicide on June 20, 2012. I am still grieving…she had so much more to say about our country’s screwball politics…and I’m also still bewildered, angry, confused, and I miss my friend. (We did become friends over the years…talked on the phone a lot…damn…damn…damn!)

Sorry…I just had to get that off my sagging old chest.

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