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freethinkin franklin

if you watch the whole “interview” you’ll see he was led by hannity, his questions were very leading and most were softball set ups requiring only a yes or no answer, then towards the end you’ll notice hannity (off camera) directs zimmerman to look into the camera to plead his case. this was nothing more then a commercially produced to bring in cash from the bigoted god and guns crowd that loves their white America. more likely then not zimmermans lawyer set this up as he’ll be the one getting most of the cash raised. invoking god is just part of this shameless plea for cash.

moongrimm

And I hope soon that Mr. Zimmerman will be enjoying the appropriate end result of “God’s Plan”, and becoming someone’s bitch in prison, for the rest of his natural life.

Et Tu Pharaoh?

joanie

great idea Zimmerman and Sandusky in a community cell with a large selection of prison Bulldykes and a bottle of Viagra.
- Chachi
  
  Ew! Ew! Ew!

Geddy

Not following the “Gods plan” comment, but self defense is not murder. I wonder why everyone wants to deny Martin’s actions leading up to his being shot.

Hard lesson for a young man. He was big enough to put an impressive beating on Zimmerman and sadly received his consequence.

Sleepingkirby

You mean, the part where big creepy guy is eyeing you, talking to someone on the phone and then chasing you down in the rain? Honestly, If some creepy guy is talking frantically on the cellphone and eyeing me, I’d run too. Especially since I’m taiwanese, the first thought that goes through me head when someone is doing that is “Sh*t, someone wants me dead really badly and he’s calling his buddies.”
Troll Hunter

What part of “Thou shall not kill” don’t you understand? Oh yeah i forgot you pick and chose what laws to follow. My bad.
Sleepingkirby

Oh, sorry, Martin’s action prior to the shooting. That would be walking around in the rain with the hoodie up and looking around. Oh and running.
- Troll Hunter
  
  And that sad thing is that Martin was a good kid. He wasn’t a gang-banger or a problem child…damn this is depressing.
  Geddy, the simply fact that you’re shitting all over this kid death is disgusting even for a troll like you.
  Go ahead and make fun of us for our “beliefs” but leave Martin out of it.
Geddy

@ Kirby you seem to be misinformed. He wasn’t chasing Martin down. Martin was for no reason walking between houses which IS very suspicious especially considering the recent home invasion in the area.

Really you find nothing wrong with Martins actions? Martin was so scared by the “big creepy guy” that he approached him cursing at him the punching him in the face. The punch broke Zimmermans nose and knocking him to the ground where Martin mounted him and preceded to beat on him. Witness attest to that.

@ Troll Hunter, it’s MURDER, not kill. Another weak attempt by your side to spin the fact. He was 17 years old, not really a kid… young yes, but not a kid. I’ll leave Martin out of it if you leave Zimmerman out of it. Last I checked one is still innocent until proven guilty in this once great country.

If Zimmerman was intent on killing, why did he wait so long to pull the gun? Why take such a beating? If Martin is just a kid with skittles, why curse and adult and attack him? Just continue to deny the facts and pooh all over the legal system.

I also believe the WORST he gets is manslaughter, but believe he was justified with what he did. From everything thing I’ve heard and read, I believe he is innocent of any wrong doing.
- Sleepingkirby
  
  Geddy, you seem to be shifting the topic. Let’s establish some points. Can you agree on the following points. 1) Zimmerman got out of car when he saw Trayvon Martin? 2) When Trayvon Martin ran, did Zimmerman chase after him?
  
  If you say yes to both of those, then yes, Zimmerman did chase Martin. If you said no to either, I would like to refer you to the video that was posted here where Zimmerman admitted to following Martin. And, of course, since he had to run follow Martin, that is technically chasing.
  
  Please note that this is in response to your statement of:
  
  Geddy
  July 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm
  He didn’t “chase” him down, that’s your fiction.
  
  In which I replied previously:
  
  Sleepingkirby
  July 19, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Reply
  Uhm… geddy, Zimmerman himself, in that video agreed that he got out of the car to follow Martain that night. Zimmerman was running (as per the sounds of the police call) after someone. So that, technically, is a chase. This isn’t Franklin’s “fiction” as you call it. It’s fact.
  
  We can debate the other points once this fact has been established.
- Troll Hunter
  
  No its kill not murder. Turn the other cheek remember?
  And 17 IS a kid. If you’re not old enough to vote your a kid. An older kid but a kid none the less.
  and i laugh at your “Another weak attempt by your side to spin the fact”
  Really Geddy? Do you even hear the shit coming out of your mouth?

freethinkin franklin

if zimmerman had done as he was instructed to by law enforcement, nobody would have gotten hurt that day…. also “standing your ground” doesn’t apply to getting out of your truck and chasing down a kid with a bag of skittles and a can of ice tea. one could even argue that the law supports martins actions better then it does zimmermans. zimmerman had no right or authority to confront that kid who was just walking home. if you think he was polite to martin or that race had no part in zimmermans actions your overlooking alot to reach your predetermined conclusion.

Geddy

He didn’t “chase” him down, that’s your fiction. Clearly, if Zimmerman didn’t get out of the car Martin would be alive, but that doesn’t make Zimmerman guilty.

I suppose Martin had the right to put a beat down on him, huh. Let’s just continue to ignore Martins actions. After all, how dare Zimmerman call the police and watch a suspicious person in his neighborhood after the home invasion that occurred just prior to the Martin incident.
- freethinkin franklin
  
  zimmerman had no right or authority to confront martin… its called neighborhood watch not neighborhood judge, jury and executioner ! all zimmerman had to do was as law enforcement told he to do, stay in his vehicle. zimmerman himself said that martin already passed him and was getting “running away” thus his comment to police dispatcher thus “the assholes always get away” and his “fuckin coons” remarks. please do tell me how zimmerman engaged a kid that was running away (by zimmermans own admission) if he didn’t chase him? geddy/wayne as always your entitled to your own opnion but not your own facts…. nobody is ignoring anything, (except you again ignoring facts) i too would be defencive if some guy in a car was chasing me on a rainy night as i was walking home… i’d be very defencive, as would you i’d bet… fact is zimmerman had no right or authority to follow that kid , let alone confront him…. listen to the actual dispatchers recordings of the call and learn something… lets see if you posses the quality to admit that your wrong….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OT7olbN5JI
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyucguFVfoY&feature=fvwrel
  - Geddy
    
    Following a suspicious character is NOT against the law whether he muttered those words or not. Martin beat the crap out of him, why? Martin approached Zimmerman. Zimmerman seemed to be watching where he was going for the police. Zimmerman claims he never got more then 100 feet from his car, and the noise was from the wind, not his breathing. He didn’t sound out of breath to me.
    
    He broke no laws, whether he ran after him, followed him, asked him what he was doing, or just watched him. Yes, he should have watched from his car, but he certainly didn’t ask for or provoke a beating from anything I’ve seen.
    
    Btw, I have admited on this forum before when I was wrong. But until all the fact are disclosed, none of us will know for sure. Why couldn’t Martin have just walked away after breaking his nose? Why the continued assault?
- Sleepingkirby
  
  Uhm… geddy, Zimmerman himself, in that video agreed that he got out of the car to follow Martain that night. Zimmerman was running (as per the sounds of the police call) after someone. So that, technically, is a chase. This isn’t Franklin’s “fiction” as you call it. It’s fact.
  
  And it sounds like, from the police call, Zimmerman called the police for someone being black and wearing a hoodie while it’s raining.

cromulus

Well, all that butt ramming he’ll get in jail will be part of God’s plan too.

The Atheist Pig

If Trayvon felt that he was in danger of physical harm from Zimmerman, then I suppose he had every right to put the beat down on him under the stand your ground law.

Speculating here, but if Trayvon was the one with the gun, and Zimmerman ended up dead, people on the right would be flipping their shit over this violent gang banger who killed a responsible citizen just out to protect his community.

I don’t have an issue with Zimmerman watching a suspicious person after a robbery, but when he decided to play cop, when expressly told not to, then he bears the responsibility for his actions.

http://gplus.to/thealphageek Alan Bombria

My prediction is that he will be convicted of manslaughter.

freethinkin franklin

it should come as no surprise that a theist would spin “gods will” to suit their needs at the time, its been done throughout history from the parts of the buybull that found its way onto the cutting room floor, to the interpretation that king james approved, to the twists martin luther put on the tales to suit his needs to the major twists of joseph smith , jim jones and david koresh just to name a few…. this is nothing new for theists, after all it is their imaganery friend so why shouldn’t they feel like they could twist him like gumby to suit their views/needs or talking points….

moongrimm

911.

What everyone seems to have forgotten- Is that Mr. Zimmerman was advised to not pursue the subject (Martin) by the 911 Dispatcher. Zimmerman chose to ignore that advice, thus the ‘stand your ground law’ doesn’t apply.

Leave it to the Ged, to seek to rationalise the actions of a murderer.

freethinkin franklin

rationalizing the actions of a murderer is the goal of theology isn’t it?
Sleepingkirby

Nope, I didn’t forget. That’s why I’m trying to establish that Zimmerman did chase after Martin. Once that’s established, we can go to the non-emergency call recording where he was told not to follow Martin, in which he agreed to, but did anyways. If I remember correctly, Geddy is choosing to believe Zimmerman’s statement(s) (or a combination of his statementes). Which, if you listen to the non-emergency call and the police’s statement, is contradictory. I can understand (to a degree) Geddy’s insistence on religion, but it’s hard to imagine Geddy’s blind faith towards one person’s recounts of the events. Maybe he’s an avid fox news watcher so influences his views. I don’t know. It is possible he’s just trolling us, but it’s hard to imagine someone his age spending time trying to troll us.

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