I take it on faith that God always existed, but make no mistake in ever believing I can attempt to prove it. To use the diversity in the world as proof that the story of the Tower of Babel is real is like proving the world is flat because it looks flat when standing on the ground after seeing a picture of it from space. It is an argument based on ignoring evidence that is contrary to your beliefs. Science is about acknowledging evidence and holding it up against your beliefs to see how they hold up in light of the evidence. Sometimes it is right and sometimes it is wrong and it is always flexible to new evidence.

If you spend some time talking with real atheists, those who don’t hate god and don’t judge you based on what you take on faith, you will realize that they have read more of the holy books than most theists. Their main issue with all of comes from trying to justify a belief in a higher power or supreme being that is not subject to the same jealousies, anger, and other human imperfections. If there is a supreme being that is infinitely better than humans then why is it jealous? Why does it get so angry it floods the earth to teach people a lesson by killing everyone that made it mad? How can it know everything and yet be surprised and angered when humans build a tower or eat a fruit? Why did it want to keep the knowledge
o good and evil away from humans? Since it is the source of all good humans could never know what that is without the knowledge of good and evil. So this supreme being did not want us to know the difference between good and evil, why? These are all things that atheists have asked themselves but most theists will not even consider even though they insist on the literal truth in the bible. If we literally did not know the difference between good and evil how can we be punished for doing something we did not know was wrong. And before you say because god told them it was wrong, how could they understand right and wrong without knowledge of good and evil?

Most theists believe it is a hard pill to swallow that the universe has always existed because something cannot come out of nothing, but rarely consider that saying God has always existed is the same size pill. Life is not a happy accident God created all life. If this is true and God is a living entity then either he created himself or something else did.

So God gives the death penalty for anyone who commits murder? If he gives the death penalty then why should humans have to carry it out? If we are not to judge because only God can do that, then shouldn’t God also carry out the execution? I mean if you are looking to keep someone from murdering by giving a harsh punishment why not also make it so anyone that would commit the act should just drop dead on the spot?

The translation to English is kill, not murder. Admittedly translations are often wrong but you also have to wonder what else was translated wrong.

So the sanctity of life is so great for a theist that it follows they should take a life in retribution of someone else taking a life? That hardly seems like taking life seriously. You know of no theist who believes life can be taken to send someone to a better place? So no theist has ever taken a loved one off of life support or helped them end their suffering? What world are you living in? The crusades and the Spanish Inquisition alone refute this claim.

you state “Christians believe that sanctity is intrinsic. ” yet your “kind loving god” will “murder” you if you disobey him…whats “intrinsic ‘ about that??? I’m in no need of a friend like that… thanks but no thanks !

The term in Exodus 20:13 is murder. In the bible the Hebrew word for murder always applies to a human. God gave animals in Genesis after the fall to man for food. God was the first to kill. Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves. God had told them they would surly die if they disobeyed. God provided a substitute, killed an animal, and covered them himself. The first picture of God providing a substitute. I know no theist that takes life as you describe it. We take it as serious as God does for the penalty for murder was capital punishment.

We all agree there is a sanctity of life, it is what separates us from inanimate objects. Since life itself is special we don’t want ours destroyed and there is an assumption that neither does any other living thing. To that end we all tend to believe taking the life of another living being as something to not be taken lightly. Furthermore, all morality is somewhat subjective even to theists. Have you ever wondered why the rule, thou shalt not kill only applies to humans. There is no caveat in the language it it just simply stated thou shalt not kill. If this is a completelyobjective rule then it must apply to all living things equally.

Atheists tend to have a higher regard for life than theists because they believe that once you die that’s it, game over, no reset button. Theists take it a little lighter because when someone dies they go to a better place and still exist.

It is two different means to the same end… we must be kind to each other.

The God in the Bible doesn’t exist. The standard we are using is logic, reason, and evidence.

“They are subjective standards that changed from person to person.”
Yeah, not like Christian standards. Those standards aren’t subjective and don’t change from person to person. That’s why there are over 30,000 sects of Christianity.

“. From an evolutionary perspective the Israelites annihilating people groups is only an example of survival of the fittest”

You obviously don’t have the first clue as to what evolution is. I would advise you to pick up a grade school Biology textbook.

“Even the claim that there are contradictions in the bible is a demonstration that there is objective truth.”

Or a demonstration of a shitty narrative compiled by ignorant illiterate desert dwellers.

“What is “the best measurement?” We must have an ultimate standard to measure it to otherwise we measure it to our own opinion. We measure it to what we think is straight. That changes from person to person”

The Scientific method is the best measurement. We have known this for quite some time now. Science doesn’t care about your opinions, your bias, or your gods.

“This is what is so difficult to get atheist to see. In almost every statement they make they make a judgment. That judgment must be according to a standard. What standard are they using?”

Logic, evidence, and reason.